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Bookflurries: Bookchat: Science Fiction, Science Fact, and Fantasy Night

Wed May 21, 2008 at 05:07:29 PM PDT

Welcome to bookchat where you can talk about anything...books, plays, essays, quotes, words, magazines, and books on tape.  You don’t have to be reading a book to come in, sit down, and chat with us.

Usually, we talk about all the book genres at Bookflurries and you are welcome to talk about any book or play, tonight.  

One night, I featured mysteries and last week I promoted true stories so tonight I decided to do one of my favorite areas which is science fiction and fantasy.  As many readers did in the 60’s, I fell in love with Tolkien’s The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings and after that series, I moved through many other wonderful worlds.

When I was first married, I lived near bookstores of all kinds.  When we moved to a rural area, I no longer had such resources and the nearby small library could not provide this genre.  I was lucky to find the Science Fiction Book Club to keep me going.

When I taught night school, we had eight week terms and I taught sixteen different classes over the years.  The most popular class was called Science Fiction and Science Fact.  I know many Scifi readers love real science books as I do.   It is hard to talk about one without the other.

Science fiction writers dream up things and then scientists build them.

Of course, Isaac Asimov and David Brin are scientists as well as writers of science fiction and fantasy as are many of our favorite authors.   David writes diaries at DKos and invites you to his website:

http://www.davidbrin.com/

wiki says:

http://en.wikipedia.org/...

Glen David Brin, Ph.D. (born October 6, 1950) is an American scientist and award-winning author of science fiction. He has received both the Hugo and Nebula Awards.

Brin was born in Glendale, California in 1950. In 1973, he graduated from the California Institute of Technology with a Bachelor of Science in astronomy. He followed this with a a Master of Science in applied physics in 1978 and a Doctor of Philosophy in space science in 1981, both from the University of California, San Diego.

The Uplift novels are:
Sundiver (1980)
Startide Rising (1983)
The Uplift War (1987)
The Uplift Storm Trilogy:
Brightness Reef (1995)
Infinity's Shore (1996)
Heaven's Reach (1998) ISBN 0-553-57473-6

Additionally, Aficionado, currently published in the limited-edition collection Tomorrow Happens, is a short-story prequel to the novels. This story was originally published as "Life in the Extreme" in Popular Science Magazine Special Edition, 8/98. This story is freely available on Brin's website for reading.

Brin has also co-authored Kevin Lenagh Contacting Aliens: An Illustrated Guide to David Brin's Uplift Universe.

A few words from an article about writers is here:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

Isaac Asimov

Trained as a chemist, Asimov, who was born in 1920, held a teaching post at Boston University for many years. As well as his fiction, he wrote many popular guides to science. His scientific credentials were recognized when he had an asteroid (5020) named after him - as is Honda's humanoid prototype robot ASIMO. He died in 1992.

"Unlike a lot of sci-fi writers, Asimov knew how to explain the science, and was a great populariser of real science," says Brake. "But what sets him aside is that he was also masterful at documenting human responses to scientific progress."

HG Wells

Socialist, journalist, historian, and author, Herbert George Wells was nothing if not prolific before his death in 1946. He predicted the invention of tanks, aerial bombing, nuclear war, gas warfare, lasers and industrial robots. His scientific background (he studied biology under TH Huxley) led him to produce iconic tales such as The Time Machine, The Invisible Man, The War of the Worlds - almost entirely pessimistic about human nature and the future...

Arthur C Clarke

Sixty books, 50m copies in print, and a link with some of the 20th century's most indelible ideas: not bad for a boy from Minehead in Somerset. He was born in 1917, and signaled his space odyssey intentions by joining the British Interplanetary Society before the second world war. He worked on radar in the RAF and in 1945 submitted a technical paper called Extraterrestrial Relays, laying down the principles of satellite communication in geostationary orbits.

He graduated with first class honors in physics and mathematics from King's College London in 1948.

FerrisValyn, BillWhite, Neon Vincent and other DKos diarists have been writing diaries to help us keep on top of amazing new things.  Please watch for their diaries.

We have read for years about spaceports and now the US is building one in New Mexico.

Pictures of the planned spaceport are here:

http://www.inhabitat.com/...

Here is a speech by Isaac Asimov on January 14, 1989, where he discusses the "Greenhouse Effect" in his speech ‘The Threats to Humanity’:  (or before Al Gore, there was Isaac)

http://www.youtube.com/...

Here is a video of Isaac Asimov discussing the movement and change in scifi/fantasy formats that was interesting and there are other videos of his speeches on the same page.  

http://www.youtube.com/...

Also, here is the video from a speech called ‘The Answer for Humanity’ that Asimov gave on January 14, 1989, that I found very interesting about why we should go into space...if you don’t have the time for the 10 minute version...try beginning at 6 minutes into the speech.  

http://www.youtube.com/...

A REALLY interesting discussion of Robots including Asimov’s laws is here and well worth a read...

http://www.jnd.org/...

How Might Humans Interact with Robots?
Human Robot Interaction and the Laws of Robotology

Don Norman

Here are just a couple of thoughts from this article:

...Science fiction can be a useful source of ideas and information, for the best are in essence detailed scenario development, showing just how a device, e.g., a robot, might fit within everyday work and activities, although some scenarios are more useful than others, of course. Asimov's laws of Robotics (originally three, then expanded to four with the addition of a Zeroth law), turn out to be more relevant than one might think...

Implications for Robots. Don't try to have a robot do a task for which it is imperfect and that therefore requires continual human monitoring. The human will get bored when the robot performs successfully and thus be unable to take over at exactly the times when it is most critical. Either do the whole thing, or don't do it at all - or at least, do it cooperatively.

The general philosophy among many designers is to automate as much as they can and let the human take over the rest. This is a truly bad way of designing. The correct way is to understand fully the tasks to be performed and the relative strengths and weaknesses of people and machines. Then design the system as a cooperative endeavor, where people do what they are best at, machines do what they are best at, and the interaction between the two is smooth and continuous, but designed around human needs and capabilities...

  1. Science fiction, e.g., Asimov's 4 laws of Robots

Asimov's Revised Laws of Robotics (1985)

Zeroth Law:
A robot may not injure humanity, or, through inaction, allow humanity to come to harm.

First Law: A robot may not injure a human being, or, through inaction, allow a human being to come to harm, unless this would violate the Zeroth Law of Robotics.

Second Law: A robot must obey orders given it by human beings, except where such orders would conflict with the Zeroth or First Law.

Third Law: A robot must protect its own existence as long as such protection does not conflict with the Zeroth, First, or Second Law.

(From Clarke, Roger (1993, 1994): Asimov's Laws of Robotics: Implications for Information Technology. IEEE Computer. (Published in two parts, in IEEE Computer 26,12 (December 1993) pp. 53-61 and 27,1 (January 1994), pp. 57-66). Available at http://www.anu.edu.au/...

Don provides a long list of neat books you can read, here:
http://www.jnd.org/...

His own books are:
The Design of Future Things
Emotional Design: Why we love (or hate) everyday things
The Invisible Computer
Things That Make us Smart: Defending Human Attributes in the Age of the Machine
Turn Signals Are the Facial Expressions of Automobiles

Here are just a few articles about robots:

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...

Octopus Arms May Point Way to New Robot Designs
Hillary Mayell
for National Geographic News
February 9, 2005

Octopuses, those boneless, brainy, denizens of the deep, use their arms for some tasks in much the same way humans do, according to a new study...

Understanding how the octopus controls eight flexible arms all at once could be the basis for developing the next generation of flexible robotic arms—long a goal among robotics engineers...

New Robot Suit to Assist Japanese Farmers

http://www.robots-dreams.com/...

Photo in the News: Ultra-Lifelike Robot Debuts in Japan
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/...

New Japanese Robot Checks Vital Signs and Dials 911
by Donald Melanson
http://www.switched.com/...

In Japan, robot babysitter always ready to play
http://www.spacedaily.com/...

Japanese Invent New Multi-Skilled Kitchen Robot
Nandini | Mar 1 2007   (with pictures)
http://www.bornrich.org/...

The kitchen robot on DailyMail, here:
http://www.bornrich.org/...

Monkey’s Thoughts Propel Robot, a Step That May Help Humans
http://www.nytimes.com/...

On Thursday, the 12-pound, 32-inch monkey made a 200-pound, 5-foot humanoid robot walk on a treadmill using only her brain activity.

She was in North Carolina, and the robot was in Japan.

ASIMO to Conduct the Detroit Symphony Orchestra
Humanoid Robot's Appearance at Yo-Yo Ma Performance to Highlight DSO's Youth Music Programs

http://world.honda.com/...

For fantasy books, I did dragons recently...here:

http://www.dailykos.com/...

I realize that many aficionados are particular about their science fiction being separate from fantasy, and that some books are considered literature and others are space operas, so to speak.

Some authors write both kinds so finding their books shelved in different areas is hard.  I prefer having all the author’s books in one place.  Just me.

I would be very glad to hear about your favorites.  Readers who are not fans, we will try to convince you to try at least one, but feel free to talk about other books you are reading.

Science-Fact fans, please tell us about your favorite books.

Here are a few of my favorite books minus the dragon stories which were already done before.  I consider these tales to be good reads that also made me grow and think about the future, about society, about character, and about being human.

Isaac Asimov...everything...just that...everything.

James Blaylock
  The Elfin Ship

Ray Bradbury...all the short story collections
    Fahrenheit 451

Marian Zimmer Bradley
  Hawk Mistress
  Mists of Avalon
  Lady of Avalon

David Brin...see list above for Uplift saga

Orson Scott Card
  Ender’s Game
  Speaker for the Dead
  Ender’s Shadow

C. J. Cherryh
  Foreigner
  Invader
  Inheritor
  Precursor
  Defender
  Explorer
  Destroyer
  Pretender
  Deliverer

 Fortress in the Eye of Time series
  Fortress of Eagles
  Fortress of Owls
  Fortress of Dragons
  Fortress of Ice

 Collected Short Fiction of C J Cherryh
 
 Angel with a Sword series
    Merovingen Nights
    Festival Moon
    Fever Season
    Troubled Waters
    Smuggler’s Gold
    Divine Right
    Flood Tide
    End Game

 Pride of Chanur
 Chanur’s Venture
 Kif Strike Back
 Homecoming
 Chanur’s Legacy

 Thieves World

Arthur C. Clarke
   Rendezvous with Rama and sequels
   Collected Short Stories

Julie Czerneda

Charles DeLint

Stephen R. Donaldson
  Chronicles of Thomas Covenant
  Mirror of Her Dreams
  Man Rides Through

Dave Duncan

David Eddings

Kate Elliott

David Feintuch
   Prisoners of Hope
   Voices of Hope
   Fisherman’s Hope
   Challenger’s Hope
   Midshipman’s Hope

Alan Dean Foster
  Journeys of the Catechist
      Carnivores of Light and Darkness
      Into the Thinking Kingdoms
      A Triumph of Souls

David Gerrold

Terry Goodkind

Frank Herbert
   Dune

Robert Jordan
   Wheel of Time series

Guy Gavriel Kay
    Song for Arbonne
   Tigana
   Fionavar Tapestry series
     Summer Tree
     Wandering Fire
     Darkest Road
   Sarantine Mosaic series
     Sailing to Sarantine
     Lord of Emperors
   Last Light of the Sun
   Lions of Al Rassan

Rosemary Kirstein

Lian Hearn
  Across the Nightingale Floor
  Grass for His Pillow
  Brilliance of the Moon
(there is also a prequel to the series and a sequel to Moon that I have not read, yet).

Lee and Miller
   Liaden series

Ursula LeGuin
    Earthsea Trilogy

Barry Longyear
  Enemy Mine
  Tomorrow Testament
  Last Enemy

Ann Marston

Jack McDevitt

Juliet McKenna

Patricia McKillip...everything, but I love this one especially:
  The Cygnet and the Firebird

Elizabeth Moon
     The Deed of Paksenarrion
     Sheepfarmer’s Daughter
     Divided Allegiance
     Oath of Gold
(and her others about space are good, too, but not as serious as these)

Terry Pratchett...all

Pratchett and Gaiman
     Good Omens

Jennifer Roberson
      Chronicles of the Cheysuli

Mary Doria Russell  (both stories must be read to get the whole picture)
  The Sparrow
  Children of God

Sean Russell

Fred Saberhagen
  Complete Book of Swords has
       First, Second, Third Books
  Lost Swords: First Triad
    Woundhealer’s Story
    Sightblinder’s
    Stonecutter’s
  Lost Swords: Second Triad
    Farslayer’s
    Coinspinner’s
    Mindsword’s
  Lost Swords: End Game
    Wayfinder’s
    Shieldbreaker’s

Brandon Sanderson
   Elantris

Elizabeth Scarborough
   Songs from the Seashell Archives

Robert Silverberg
   Lord Valentine’s Castle and sequels

Brian Stableford

Mark Sumner our Devilstower...this book has the best first sentence I have ever read.
   Devil’s Tower

Joan D. Vinge
   Dreamfall

Angus Wells

Michelle West
 Prequels to the Sun Sword series
   Hunter’s Oath
   Hunter’s Death
 Sun Sword series
    Broken Crown
    Uncrowned King
    Shining Court
    Sea of Sorrows
    Riven Shield
    Sun Sword

James White
 Tales of Sector General (not listed in order...I read the first three on this list first, though they are late in the series, but which sent me looking for the earlier ones)
  Galactic Gourmet
  Final Diagnosis
  Mind Changer
  Genocidal Healer
  Silent Stars Go By
  Double Contact
  Hospital Station
  Star Surgeon
  Major Operation
  Ambulance Ship
  Sector General
  Star Healer
  Code Blue
  General Practice
  Alien Emergencies

Connie Willis..all
 
Gene Wolfe
  Soldier of the Mist and sequels

Janny Wurts
Wars of Light and Shadow series
      Curse of the Mistwraith
      Ships of Merior
      Warhost of Vastmark
      Fugitive Prince
      Grand Conspiracy
      Peril’s Gate
      Traitor’s Knot
      Stormed Fortress
   
Roger Zelazny
First Chronicles of Amber
     Nine Princes in Amber
     Guns of Avalon
     Sign of the Unicorn
     Hand of Oberon
     Courts of Chaos
  Second Chronicles of Amber
     Trumps of Doom
     Blood of Amber
     Sign of Chaos
     Knight of Shadows
     Prince of Chaos

For humor:

Robert Asprin (The Myth books)

For children or YA, but also for me:

Lloyd Alexander
    Chronicles of Prydain

Edward Ormondroyd
    David and the Phoenix
    Time at the Top

Jonathan Stroud
    Bartimaeus Trilogy

Peter Beagle
    Last Unicorn

Cornelia Funke
 
Madeleine L’Engle

Rowling
Harry Potter

I have left many big names for you to share.  I did not take them all.  Please list your favorite authors and titles in the comments...thanks!!

POLL Below:
Who Is Your Favorite Author not including Dragon books.  I know there should be a category for "all of the above", but you will just have to close your eyes and choose one and then complain in comments.  I needed another forty slots on the poll to even begin to list your favorites.
 
Bill Moyers: "We are in trouble"    
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The Katrina Protocol (book plug)  
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plf515 has a wonderful book diary on Fridays early and all day

sarahnity’s list of DKos authors has grown so much that she has her own diary on Tuesdays.  

http://www.dailykos.com/...

sarahnity says:

It turns out that we have quite a few authors hanging out here who have published books in the real world.  A while ago, I started keeping a list of books by Kossacks, former Kossacks and Kossacks-once-removed.  I was posting it each week to the diary series What Are You Reading and Bookflurries, but the list has grown long enough, that I've decided to turn it into a diary and post it as a weekly series on Tuesday evenings.

Not all Kossack authors may wish to lose their anonymity, so I am only including the author's UID if he has outed herself here (gender confusion intended).  If you'd like to be included on the list, or if you know of an author who is left off, please leave a comment or email me.

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